Archive/File: imt/nca/nca-06/nca-06-3815-ps Last-Modified: 1999/12/08 [Page 745] TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT 3815-PS The Commander of the Security Police and of the Security Service in the General Gouvernement. Commander of Security Police -- Journal No. 89/42. Secret. Cracow, 25th. April 1942 SECRET 1. Note Re: The former Governor, Dr. Lasch. On 26.4.1942 I personally interviewed Dr. Lasch at his own request. On this occasion Dr. Lasch learnt -- for the first time. [Page 746] according to him -- that the Reichsfuehrer-SS had duly given him the opportunity of proving himself in the front line. He was furious that Secretary of State Buehler had not only said nothing of this offer of the RFSS but, in reply to his question as to whether he could not make up his lapses by employment at the front, had said that it was now too late. After his memory had been further assisted Dr. Lasch declared he would drop his reserve with regard to his former friends, and speak the truth about them frankly. He asked for my support in approaching the RFSS, as he proposed to send a plea to the Reichsfuehrer SS, requesting him to give him once more the opportunity of proving himself at the front. He said he had recognized the true feelings of Secretary of State Buehler and the clique at the Castle and no longer had any intention of sparing them. He recognized that they had dropped him and tried to put all the blame on him. He could only state in his defense that his lapses were not the only ones, but that nearly all leaders in the administration of the Generalgouvernement had enriched themselves in this way and even more extensively. I requested Dr. Lasch to write down everything he knew himself. Up to now Dr. Lasch has written as follows: "Dr. Frank's attitude to the Party, the SS and the State is, to a very great extent, influenced by his Secretary of State Buehler who is, again, agreeable to Dr. Frank simply because he is entirely lacking in any creative power. Dr. Buehler owes his position to the fact that he can do nothing, has no initiative and in emergencies is presented with a fait accompli. The assertion is continually being made that there is a struggle between Bormann and Dr. Frank. It can be assumed that Reichsleiter Bormann knows nothing about it. Dr. Frank is a pronounced adversary of Bormann. Between the Reichsfuehrer and Dr. Frank and also between SS-Lieutenant General Heydrich and Dr. Frank lies, in the opinion of Frank/Buehler, a whole world of injustice, police authority, oppression of the people, concentration camps, cruelty! Dr. Frank preaches a State controlled by a legal code, and by that he means a Legal State. RFSS Himmler desires a police state! By means of speeches and writings, propaganda is said to be made for a Ministry of Justice which excludes police influence which has become so strong. According to Dr. Frank's interpretation, it's "justice" is opposed to the RFSS Himmler's "injustice." The dangerous influence of the SS in the judicial sphere was considered proven by the example of the Prague Trials. An [Page 747] SS Fuehrer is said to have acted as Public Prosecutor at these. (Trial of the former Prime Minister of the Protectorate). The dangerous influence of the SS in the State is considered proven by the fact that SS rank was conferred on all leading men in the Reich -- Ribbentrop, Lammers, Bormann, Seyss-Inquart, etc. Herein lies the danger of the leading position of the SS in the State. Dr. Frank wishes, after the war, when the Fuehrer is no longer in such great need of the RFSS, to inaugurate the greatest fight for justice, with the assistance of the Armed Forces and the SA! A fight against the SS in the Generalgouvernement will take this course! Krueger and Schoengarth must be dismissed. Perhaps they know too much. Dr. Buehler's ambition plays a great part here. Moreover these efforts will be vigorously furthered by Dr. Keith. the "Golen" Gutbred (SS-Sergeant) [SS-Unterscharfuehrer] and Waechter. Since Waechter has been in Galicia he may have changed his attitude. He always wanted SS-Lieutenant-General [Obergruppenfuehrer] Krueger's post and tried to get it. Waechter is SS-Brigadier-General [SS-Brigadefuehrer] but was always less friendly disposed towards the SS than all other Governors. In token of his power, Dr. Frank, in October charged Buehler and Boepple with the duty of assembling the Special Service and of settling the quarrel between Zoerner and Globocnik in Lublin by banning the "Globus." Later on exactly similar things were to be done in Cracow. Buehler and Boepple were to be in command and were charged with making strategic plans. After much discussion, it was possible to impress upon Buehler the craziness of such action. I suggested telephoning Dr. Wendler, inviting him to this conference. Buehler saw the advantage of this. Wendler came to Cracow after my arrest. He is said to he completely under Buehler's thumb now! At first against Krueger-Schoengarth and then against others. In the meantime Buehler quickly dismissed his SS Adjutant, he suddenly became a private -- such things take place at the Castle." In this connection a statement by Minister Ruemelin (retired) regarding SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Krueger, made on the occasion of a visit on 22.4.42, is interesting. Ruemelin happened to say that people had been struck by the fact that, on the occasion of the establishment of the SA in the Generalgouvernement on 20.4.42 and the taking over of the leadership of the SA by the General Governor as SA-Obergruppenfuehrer, no leader of the SS was represented. Ruemelin declared that there was already talk of a Roehm situation. Since 3 Police Officers had replaced the 3 Wehrmacht officers who retired from the Special Service. [Page 748] he had now learnt that the Wehrmacht (General von Gienanth) had offered the Special Service 12 Wehrmacht officers who were no longer fit for active service. Ruemelin enquired of Obergruppenfuehrer Krueger if Lasch was still alive. It is evident from the letter of the General Governor to SS-Obergruppepfuehrer Krueger, copy of which is attached, that Dr. Keith's efforts to liquidate the SS-Escort Command have succeeded. The Castle is being cleared of all SS-troops whom they suspect of spying on them. Dr. Lasch continues: The Amnesty Commission [Gnadenausschuss] of which Keith is executive is a proof of "justice" in the Generalgouvernement, for the SS can no longer remove anyone they wish! The Amnesty Commission is to act as a brake on so-called arbitrary acts by the SS against Poles and Jews. Dr. Frank is ruler in Poland, head of an independent State, he will brook no interference. This is, of course, all fancy, but it clearly shows the tendency all through the Government. From this point of view the unity of the administration is merely a slogan, intended to prove the necessity of gathering up all the reins into one hand. The Reich must not be allowed to interfere. There is no question of a just distribution of food. The heads can have everything, need deny themselves nothing, even live better than in peace- time, the others must buy with coupons and exist with those. Frank, Buehler, and Waechter have probably the best furnished kitchens of the whole German Reich, including all subsidiary territories. The big dinners with many, many courses were only discontinued after my case, when I reported to him the arrests in my circle of acquaintances. But in January, dinner at the Castle with meat, magnificent salads, fruit, and dessert was always a feast. The shorthand-typists, as well as Keith's staff, led a life such as one reads about in the Arabian Nights. It is an oasis where no one notices the war. When the war with Russia broke out, everybody at the Castle was terrified. It was looked upon as an act of heroism that Dr. Frank's son (13 years old) wished to be in Munich on 9 November to hear an air raid warning, as Frau Frank had maintained that the English would come on that day. She therefore remained in Schliersee with her whole family. The children are not allowed to be in Berlin but are taught at home or attend the school at Miesbach * * *. In this family the principle of enrichment at all costs is the ruling factor. Everything that can be grabbed is got hold of. [Page 749] The only person who is welcome is the man who brings something. Woe to him who possesses something more beautiful or who owns more. When Dr. Ley furnished his estate, there was tremendous gossip, also regarding Dr. Goebbels, Funk, etc. He was no example to us, for his day consists of running round from castle to castle in a magnificent carriage with guards of honour, books, music, plays, and banquets. The best value is to be got out of every reception. There is nothing natural, no simplicity, all is pose, playacting and serves to satisfy his intoxication, brought about by ambition and lust for power and, at the same time, his likeness to Mussolini, of which he is convinced by his flatterers, is interpreted as fate and destiny. Astrology, palmistry, telling fortunes by cards, lead melting, all methods of looking into the future are employed. Frau Frank has often gone to two women in one day, in order to see if what has been said tallies. Fortune smiles on him. Jupiter is his lucky star. That being so, nothing can happen to him. Others will fall, he will always remain on top. Frau Frank has often said in large circles that she intends to die a Minister's wife. It is a Prince's Court in which we, his closest colleagues, live as strangers. It is cold magnificence in which, as at the Castle, one is smothered in the Gothic style * * *. His attitude to the other Reich Ministers is determined by his exaggerated ambition, by his overweening opinion of himself and his autocracy. He waves everybody aside, some more than others. Thus he often says that Dr. Lammers owes his position to him. He would like to have been Foreign Minister in succession to Baron von Neurath, after having realized for some time that there was no prospect of becoming Minister of Justice during Dr. Guertner's lifetime and so he tried hard to obtain a post as Ambassador. He wished to be Ambassador in Rome. His spiritual opposition to Himmler and Heydrich is deep-rooted. Before he became General Governor and as only Reichsminister, he was always criticizing the fact that the Fuehrer did not summon the Reich Cabinet. He even did this publicly in the sessions of the Council of the Academy for German Law and referred to it as being the kind of Cabinet in which everyone could speak openly. He also did this as General Governor. His Cabinet meetings do not consist of deliberations but of lectures, with much affectation, about fictitious conditions, and conclude with a long monologue by Frank, praising the achievements of the General Governor in all strains * * *. Particularly interesting are his efforts to create, after the war, a Reich Law Ministry [Reichsrechtsministerium] which is to [Page 750] house the Ministries of the Interior, Justice, Church and Education, and Public Worship, as well as a number of subsidiary authorities. This is to become the principal Command Post for all transactions of domestic policy in the Reich, which are all to be based on "justice." For justice is the most valuable possession of the nation. True, everything is a conglomeration of legislation, jurisdiction and administration, but it must all be given a fine name. It is his desire to amalgamate everything-over and above judicial law -- under the title of justice, everything which can be understood by the moral conception of justice. The saying: "Everything is right which is of use to the nation" is cleverly utilized here. Accordingly, everything was to be under the control of the Reich Law Leader [Reichsrechtsfuehrer]. In his modesty he does not call himself Leader of the Legal Profession [Rechtswahrerfuehrer] but Reich Law Leader. Legislation, that will of the Fuehrer or the people which is made standard, would have to go through him. In this sphere too, he hopes to be given special assignments by the Fuehrer after the war. Frau Frank often says: "You see, if my husband had the opportunity of having long talks with the Fuehrer, it would be a good thing for the Fuehrer, for there is no one with whom he could speak so well as with my husband." Every little token given him by the Fuehrer is immediately magnified a thousand fold and utilized for his ambitious plans. If he ever has the opportunity to talk for example to Schaub or Prof. Hoffmann or anyone else in the Fuehrer's entourage, he repeats what he has been told as if it originated from the Fuehrer himself. His conversations with foreign statesmen are also on this plane, and have often made our blood boil. If, in his capacity as resident of the Academy for German Law, he travels abroad and is received by the Duce, Count Ciano, King Boris of Bulgaria, or the Bulgarian Prime Minister, he always acted as if, in his capacity as Reichsminister, he had received instructions from the Fuehrer; he discussed foreign policy but was always able to turn the conversation when it became dangerous. He did this also in Hungary and in France before the war, where he met the former Premier, Chautemps, in Paris. After the shooting of Roehm he violently criticized Dr. Guertner's statement in the Reich Cabinet, according to which, the execution of the sentences passed was legal * * *." Lasch gives the following details regarding the personal relations between Dr. Frank and his wife: [Page 751] Through Dr. Heuber, Frau Frank received regular monthly donations during 1935/36. For several years she received RM. 750.-- monthly from the Academy for German Law, but the Treasurers of the Academy for German Law put an end to that. Furthermore Frau Frank had, for over a year, a free ticket from Berlin to Munich which had to be paid for by the Academy for German Law * * *. When travelling abroad she bought principally in Ghettos and from Jews. First of all clothes -- baskets and then their contents. The foreign exchange was taken from the combined quota of her co-travellers. The articles were brought duty free across the frontier under diplomatic pass. Otto Herbst (brother of Frau Frank) was called up at the beginning of the Polish campaign. Applications for his release were immediately made, although he was only a clerk in a Veterinary Company which collected horses far behind the front line. He was reserved for the Generalgouvernement, but so far has not done a day's service in the Generalgouvernement. He keeps his post. In the meantime he has become the director of the Academy for German Law. He had only been reserved for this post. Richard Schneider-Edenkoben, cousin of Frau Frank, was called up as N.C.O. and immediately requested a reserved job. He was given that of film expert for the Generalgouvernement. He once drew up a short memorandum (four pages), then disappeared and was never seen again. Above all, Frau Frank's relations, as well as her women friends, are given posts everywhere. Pictures, as well as great quantities of food of all kinds, were despatched regularly to the Reich in the General Governor's Pullman car. The whole family often travelled in the coach without tickets. The guard often had trouble in this way. At the frontier it is known as the smuggling coach! Frau Frank received a large diamond ring of 5 carats from the Governor, Dr. Fischer. It is said to have cost RM. 5000 -- (Note: it is rumoured in Warsaw that Dr. Fischer has so far tried in vain to get back from Frau Frank the money said to have been spent on this ring). Dr. Fischer also gave the General Governor a Rembrandt which was brought by County-Court Judge [Landgerichtsrat] Dorn to Schliersee where it was hung. It is, however, no longer there. Dorn is said to have objected and the picture was then returned. As soon as Dr. Lasch had written down, without prejudice, everything he knows, I intend to examine him exhaustively on [Page 752] his depositions in order to complete and gain more basic information on his statements regarding some points. I have had to allow a few days' grace as, at present, Dr. Lasch is not feeling well. I wish to avoid any objection by Dr. Lasch that when in ill health he revealed facts, the effects of which he could not perceive in his condition. After Lasch has been interrogated on these lines I will submit a final copy of Lasch's statements. 2. Submitted to SS-Lieutenant General [SS-Obergruppenfuehrer] Krueger requesting him to note contents. [Signed] [Illegible] SS-Brigadier General [SS-Oberfuehrer]
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