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From: rjg@d31rz2.Stanford.EDU (Richard J. Green)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: I am asking for a number, stupid
Date: 11 Jun 1996 21:39:21 -0700
Organization: Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
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In article <4pl5mg$c7c@news.enter.net>,
Yale F. Edeiken  wrote:
>>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes:
>  
>>      Cute.  If you do not have a number for those immediately executed
>>  solely because they were Jews simply say so.  Just stop the game
>>  playing.  
>>  
>>      What is the number?  
>
>       The game player seems to be you.  Your question makes no sense.  Is a 
>person deliberately starved or worked to death executed?  There were 
>approximately 6 million Jews murdered because they were Jews.  The low figure is 
>5.1 million the high is slightly over 6.

Indeed! Hilberg[1] estimates deaths by cause:

Ghettoization and general privation:                   800,000
Open-air shootings:                                  1,300,000
Camps:                                               3,000,000
Total:                                               5,100,000

He breaks down the camps category as follows:

Death camps:                                         2,700,000
Camps w/ tolls in the low                              150,000
  10,000's or below       
Romanian                                               100,000    
Croatian                                                50,000
Total:                                               3,000,000

He breaks down death camps as follows:

Auschwitz[2]:                                         1,000,000
Treblinka:                                              750,000
Belzec:                                                 550,000
Sobibor:                                                200,000
Kulmhof:                                                150,000
Lublin:                                                  50,000
Total:                                                2,700,000

As Mr. Edeiken mentions, Hilberg's estimate is on the low end.

[1] Raoul Hilberg, _The Destruction of the European Jews_
        volume 3, appendix B, Holmes & Meier: New York (1985)

[2] The Auscwitz-Birkenau complex

Regards,

Rich Green
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On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Jamie McCarthy wrote:

> >>Just one typo, Rich, by the way:
> > 
> >>> Auschwitz[1]:                                         1,000,000
> >
> >Yeah it should be Auschwitz[2]
> 
> Mind if I edit that in the archived file, silently?

Go for it.  If its an archived file that doesn't purport to be an archive
of what was posted, it seems logical to make corrections.

Rich
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Richard J. Green                                Dept. of Chemistry
rjg@lyman.Stanford.EDU                          Stanford University     
http://www-leland.Stanford.EDU/~redcloud        Stanford, CA 94305-5080
"I've never been lost, but I've been confused for weeks on end."
	-John Muir




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