From email@example.com Tue Mar 5 15:52:58 PST 1996 Article: 26145 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.unb.ca!geol02.novlab.unb.ca!t08o From: firstname.lastname@example.org (MORRISON KEITH MURRAY) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Moran, Master of Military Minutia Screws Up...again Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 17:55:30 GMT Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 130 Message-ID:
NNTP-Posting-Host: geol02.novlab.unb.ca Summary: Moran has no idea what he is talking about. Oh, the surprise. Keywords: Zyklon-B, Moran, Chemical Weapons, Gassing Recently Tom "Granite Boy" Moran posted a message about German chemical weapons, dumped into the ocean after the war by the Allies, being the source of a potential disaster. Somewhere amidst the rambling sentences he made the common denier claim: why did the Germans use Zyklon-B instead of other, more effective chemicals that they had access to. Using MoranLogic(tm) this means that since they did not use the most effective chemical to do the deed, they did not do the deed. I have sitting in front of me _Military Chemical and Biological Agents, Chemical and Toxicological Properties_ by James A.F. Compton, published by The Telford Press in 1987. It lists the known Chemical Warfare agents and those that have actually been used. Let us take a look at what Compton has to say about the chemicals available to the Nazis during the period in question. Note that I am omitting biological agents and those designed to incapacitate like tear gas. The biologicals would have been too difficult to handle (as the British so ably demonstrated with anthrax off the coast of Scotland) and the other agents would not have been very useful for killing people. Each chemical will be listed with its STANAG (Standard Nato Agreement) code and its common name. STANAG common developed negatives HD distilled mustard 1880s -persisting -cumulative -full protective clothing needed -heavier than air MD methyldichloroarsine 1890s -heavier than air -persistant in buildings PD phenyldichloroarsine 1917 -not as lethal as regular mustard -heavier than air -highly persistant ED ethyldichloroarsine 1917 -heavier than air -full protective clothing needed -very destructive to rubber and plastic L Lewisite 1918 -heavier than air -very persistant in cold weather -full protective clothing required -cumulative HN-1 nitrogen mustard one 1920s -HN-1 somewhat less toxic HN-2 " " two -heavier than air HN-3 " " three -full protective clothing needed -persistant -HN-2 unstable in storage AC hydrogen cyanide(HCN) 1800s -burns easier than other CW gasses -unstable after a few years storage CK chlorine cyanide 1800s -not as toxic as AC -heavier than air -unstable in storage over a month SA arsine 1250 -heavier than air -highly explosive -must be stored in glass container - chlorine ? -heavier than air -low lethality CG phosgene 1800s -heavier than air -delayed lethal effects (up to 4 hours) -persistant in structures DP diphosgene 1918(?) -heavier than air -cumulative -most be stored in glass GA tabun (nerve gas) 1937 -heavier than air -persistant -liquid -full protective clothing required -decontamination using chlorine bleaches creates HCN -cumulative note: 12 000 tons produced at Dyhernfurth-am-Ober, most destroyed in 1944-45 to avoid capture by Allies. German codenames were Gelan, Stoff-83 and Trilon-83. Existance was classified secret GB sarin (nerve gas) 1938 -heavier than air -full protective clothing required -cumulative note: small experimental production until 1944-45 at Dyhernfurth. Dedicated factory captured by Soviets before completion in 1945 at Falkenhagen. Existance classified secret. Given the regular CW agents, AC (hydrogen cyanide) is ideal for use in enclosed conditions because it is lighter than air and thus easier to ventilate. It decomposes rapidly, no decontamination is required and the person standing outside inserting it into the chamber need only wear a gas mask. As well it was already being commercially produced as Zyklon-B, thus was readily available. The others were not being produced in commercial quantities in addition to their other inherent problems. On the other hand, while tabun and sarin are a great deal deadlier they are harder to handle (full protective gear), harder to get rid of and were just developed, classified as being secret projects and not (in the case of sarin) present in quantity. Zyklon-B, while not as deadly, was more available and was not classified. No one would think twice about boxes of pest killer being shipped around. Also, in the event of a spill the Zyklon- B could be easily picked up by people with gas masks and gloves whereas there would be no way to clean up the nerve gas (transported as a liquid), the spill of which would be absolutely deadly to their own troops who did not have full protective gear. Finally, should someone be accidently exposed to the gas, Zyklon-B can be recovered from as the body detoxifies it rapidly (.017 mg/kg body weight per minute) if the dose is not lethal with no permanent damage. On the other hand the nerve gasses usually, if not lethal, create permanent neurological damage and are cumulative; any further exposure makes it more likely to be lethal. All in all AC (hydrogen cyanide in the form of Zyklon-B) would seem to be an extremely practical chemical to use in the mass murder of people indoors in a dedicated gas chamber. Thus Moran demonstrates once again he has no idea what he is talking about. -- Keith Morrison email@example.com
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