The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

filed by Ingrid Rimland
on December 13, 1996

[Nizkor visitors are invited to compare this sworn affidavit with the Respondent's own evidence, and ponder the meaning of "perjury."]










I, DR. INGRID RIMLAND, of Carlsbad, California, United States of America, MAKE OATH AND SAY AS FOLLOWS:

1. I am the Webmaster of the Internet website on the World Wide Web known as the "Zundelsite" located at the electronic address As such, I have personal knowledge of the matters hereinafter deposed to:

2. I am the creator, designer, editor and primary electronic columnist of the Zundelsite. All documents which appear on the Zundelsite are prepared in HTML and Adobe Acrobat coding by me on computer equipment owned by me and located in Carlsbad, California, United States of America.

3. I decided on the name - "Zundelsite" - because Mr. Zundel is the world's best-known skeptic of genocidal activities alleged to have happened in German concentration camps. I felt the name would summarize for many familiar with Mr. Zundel's struggle the focus and aim of this website - namely the call to readers and scholars world-wide to scientificall and forensically examine widely-held but here properly eamined claims of systematic genocide of European Jews during World War II. I do not recall consulting Mr. Zundel if I could use the word "Zundelsite" - I unilaterally decided that I would.

4. I have sole control over the password to the Zundelsite. Mr. Zundel does not know and has never known the password to the Zundelsite.

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5. Through this password I access the site to make changes, additions, deletion or graphic alterations to the Zundelsite which I do on a regular basis.

6. The Zundelsite is located at the Web server called Web Communications, also referred to as WebCom. The physical address is Web Communications, 125 Water St. Suite A1, Santa Cruz, CA 95060, USA. All Zundelsite documents are stored at this address in huge electronic memory banks.

7. Internet customers from all over the world access Zundelsite documents at this US-based location - not only by calling up the Home Page of the Zundelsite but by following hundreds of links established by other website owners who have rarely consulted me and asked for permission to link. Such linking is a navigational device and the mechanism that makes the Internet interactive.

8. It is a profound misconception to assume that the Zundelsite is perceived as a "hate website" that is accessed only or even primarily by individuals seeking to vent their frustration about real or perceived political grievances. The Zundelsite is a very sought-after, respected repository for information and documents not available from other conventional sources such as libraries or mainstream publications. These documents are studied by serious students and scholars all over the world. Not infrequently, Ph.D. candidates will contact me via e-mail not just for references but for personal interviews with Mr. Zundel to learn of an alternate point of view on recent European history. As a primary information outreach source, I work with a volunteer researcher, also located in California, who helps to track requests for additional books, documents, scientific papers and reference verifications. Other volunteers, many of them students at respected universities, have offered their assistance as translators. We have had requests for Revisionist videos and other information used in class projects not just by students but also their professors. I would estimate that 80% of all correspondence sent via e-mail to the Zundelsite is respectful, courteous and genuinely inquisitive - even from readers who are opposed to the Revisionist point of view.

9. All of the Zundelsite e-mail goes to WebCom in Santa Cruz, California, from where it is immediately routed to a local, San Diego-based server called CTSNET. This company's physical address is at 4444 Convoy Street, Suite 300, San Diego, CA 92111-3761, USA. CTSNET assigned an e-mail address called for the

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Zundelsite that permits me to download all Zundelsite e-mail onto my personal computer.

10. I open, sort, answer and file all electronic mail sent to the Zundelsite.

11. For the past year, all documents appearing on the Zundelsite have been linked through hyperlinks to a website called "Nizkor" opposed to the Zundelsite point of view and offering the conventional historical point of view. Nizkor is headed by Ken McVay of British Columbia, Canada, and server by co-webmasters Jamie McCarthy of Michigan and Hilary Ostrov, whose location is not known to me. Nizkor is a website that claims to have four to five times our Internet traffic and an estimated ten-fold number of documents opposing what we say. In a recent e-mail to me, Jamie McCarthy wrote that Nizkor documents are now located on 5 different servers (three in Canada) with a sixth in the process of being finalized.

12. I have maintained an e-mail dialogue with Jamie McCarthy since September of 1995 when he approached the Zundelsite challenging us on disputed matters about World War II and daring us to a comparison of evidence. With mutual consent, a linkage of the two sites resulted for the purpose of providing readers with two opposing points of view.

13. This e-mail dialogue between Jamie McCarthy and me was sometimes amiable and often hostile. Both Jamie McCarthy and I tried to find technical solutions to advance cooperative and mutually beneficial ways to bring us nearer to historical truth - wherever this search may lead. Right now, Jamie McCarthy has offered to write a tailor-made program that would facilitate the linking process. I have agreed to change the document footer accordingly.

14. In general, however, Nizkor people have routinely been abusive about both Ernst Zundel's motives and my own by stating or implying in various newsgroups that we are "liars" who promote hatred and racism for self-serving ends. A recent e-mail from Ken McVay accused me of having posted "some claptrap about truth" and having promoted "forgeries for blatant profit" on Ernst Zundel's behalf. Such posts are very common in newsgroups. I, in turn, have criticized Nizkor in my ZGrams in defense of the Zundelsite point of view, since I believe such labeling serves no constructive purpose.

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15. One specific Zundelsite document, challenged by the Canadian Human Rights Commision as inappropriate for the Internet, called 66 Questions and Answers on the Holocaust, was specifically challenged by Nizkor in an extensive rebuttal document prepared by them as a first step to get a dialog between Nizkor and the Zundelsite going. This document is available on the Zundelsite, and we are now rebutting the Nizkor rebuttals, expanding and amplifying on the content. This document is well-organized and has specific links to Nizkor. It is a popular sub-part of the Zundelsite and often the focus of vigorous newsgroup debates.

16. I have recently added a link to the Los Angeles based Simon Wiesenthal Center as well. Internet visitors to the Zundelsite are offered a convenient, direct path only a mouse click away to quantitatively vast material attempting to refute the Zundelsite point of view.

17. I am the author of the well-known ZGrams - daily electronic editorials, columns and news releases on which I carry a copyright. If Mr. Zundel wants to use these columns for hard-copy distribution, he notifies me and asks my permission. My ZGrams are reposted on the Internet in newsgroups by friends as well as opposition websites such as Nizkor, and selected ZGrams are reprinted in various hard copy publications.

18. I am the author of three books, 5 separate columns (which appeared either weekly or monthly for years and which were reprinted and distributed repeatedly in dozens of educational and historical publications nation-wide) many articles in mainstream publications, and contributions to several anthologies, two of them on World War II history. I have won prestigious awards for my writing. One such award was given to me for an historical essay in an international, 24-country competition sponsored by an association of German-language newspapers and electronic media and later published in an historical anthology.

19. I won the highest award on the West Coast for 1977, the California Literature Medal Award, for an ethnic First Novel, titled "The Wanderers" illustrating the experiences of German people during World War II trapped behind the Iron Curtain. This book is a fictitious account of my German ancestry and the experiences of close members of my family, Pacifist Mennonites, during World War II. It deals with themes and topics from a German point of view. It has been and is still being used as a supplementary text in several United States and Canadian colleges, and I have been

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invited many times as a guest lecturer for historical events or college level history classes.

20. As a small child, I personally experienced World War II. I have strong feelings about the German side of World War II never having been presented fairly and honestly as I remember it. There have been many times in my own life when I have felt defamed by a one-sided, hateful interpretation of Germans as genocidal maniacs, when nothing in my background and experience speaks to that. The Zundelsite presents facts and views, not widely known and disseminated, reflecting the background and experience of many Germans the world over. The Zundelsite facilitates a more balanced perspective in that the documents and articles I have posted and continue to post help to exonerate the Germans in the public mind of many atrocities and crimes they have been accused of but did not commit, according to Revisionist research. Revisionist scholars and writers are given an opportunity to add to a more balanced and healing point of view of events alleged to have happened more than half a century ago.

21. All documents on the Zundelsite are protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of American which guarantees freedom of expression. I am an American citizen who counts on this protection from interference coming from another country, Canada.

DATED on this 13th day of December, 1996

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